Stanley Families in Co Roscommon

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This post is from Keith Stanley…

Perhaps you could post the  analysis below to give the site watchers something to look at. I have looked at my clan from four different angles (quadrangulation?).

1. The traditional search starting with known family members and working outwards
2. An examination of others with the Stanley name who feature in the records of one church
3. An attempt to track the Roscommon Stanley families on the 1901 census
4. An examination of the Griffiths survey

There is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that many of these people are related. The evidence is enough to make me keep looking, but nowhere near strong enough to draw definitive conclusions. I am going to need the insight of others.

Roscommon Stanley

1. John Stanley (my great grandfather) born around 1822-1825 (referred to as John 2)

1.1. His father (my great, great grandfather) was also called John (referred to as John 1) (from a wedding record) – likely to have been born late 1700s to very early 1800s.

2. John Stanley (Stanly) married firstly to ‘unknown’, presumably in the late 1840s or early 1850s

2.1. Catherine born 1851 –1857 in Roscommon (1854 from 1881 census, then 1851, 1857)

2.2. Possible other siblings

2.3. Details of death of first wife not known (but John is a widower for Marriage 2)

2.4. Kate married Uriah Senior in Q3 1879 in Dewsbury (Uriah died 1913, missing in 1911)

2.4.1. Maria (Mary?) Senior born 1885

2.4.1.1. Mary married Charles Musgrave, Q3 1907

2.4.2. Catherine A Senior born 1889 (Not obviously recorded in 1911)

3. John Stanley (John 2) married, secondly age 40, Bridget Ormsby, age 25 (born about 1840) (daughter of Arthur) in May 1865, in Kilbride RC Church

3.1. Their eldest son John (John 3) was born 2/6/1866, in Cams, Fuerty

3.1.1. John is living with Kate (2.1) in 1891 in Dewsbury

3.1.2. John married Catherine Delaney in Q4 1894 in Dewsbury

3.1.2.1. Bridget born 1897

3.1.2.2. John (John 4) born 1898

3.1.2.3. Catherine has died by 1911 (probably Q2, 1901 in Dewsbury)

3.1.2.4. One other child was born to the marriage, but has died by 1911. No obvious candidates if Catherine did die in 1901

3.2. Mary born 2/7/1868, in Rockfield, Fuerty (Baptismal sponsors: Denis McEntre and Catherine Stanly – possibly the same one as recorded in 2.1? Might only have been 17)

3.2.1. Married Patrick Muldoon, age 22 (son of William) in Cams Roman Catholic Church on 18/3/1887. (Witnesses: John Stanly and Catherine Farrell)

3.2.2. John Muldoon born 3/4/1887 in Cloverhill, Fuerty (Ballyleague Civil Births). Died Q3, 1910, aged 23 in Dewsbury

3.2.3. William Muldoon born 1892 in Dewsbury. Living at home in 1911. Possible death 28/12/1915 whilst serving with the 10th Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers (only W Muldoon) Possible death in Leeds in 1944.

3.2.4. 1911 census records Mary as having had 5 children of which only one (William) was still alive

3.2.5. Possible other children: Ellen (born 1894, died 1896), Annie (born & died 1896) and Patrick (born & died 1898) Possibly one born in Ireland 1889-1890.

3.2.6. Patrick Muldoon died in 1900 in Dewsbury,Yorkshire, age 33

3.3. Michael born 7/9/1870 in Rockfield, Fuerty (from church records, but Cams from civil records) (Baptismal sponsors: James & Frances Gannon) He died 3/8/1879, in Cloverhill Fuerty)

3.4.Thomas born 2/7/1873 in Rockfield, Fuerty (Batismal sponsors: James Gannon & Mary Hannely) Possible death in Roscommon aged 34 in Q2 1908

3.5.Details of death of John’s second wife not known. Must be between 1873 and 1883

4. John Stanley (John 2) married thirdly Bridget Scott (no record located so far). Only evidence comes from birth certificate of Patrick.

4.1. PATRICK born March 1883 (Baptismal sponsors: James Mullooly & Elizabeth McDermott) (John 2 was about 60)

4.2. Patrick shows Mary (3.2) as next of kin when joining the Militia in August 1902

4.3. Patrick is living with Mary (3.2) in 1911 in Dewsbury

4.4. Possible other siblings

5. John Stanley, of Cloonenbane, Fuerty, died 23/2/1898 aged 77 (Hence born 1822) Witness: Bridget Stanley. This is probably the thrice married John (my great grandfather) (John 2)

6. What happened to Patrick’s mother Bridget Stanley (nee Scott, the third wife of John 2)? She could have died shortly after her husband, stayed in Ireland or emigrated.

6.1. She does not seem to be in Ireland at the time of the 1901 census. (Only Bridget Stanley of around the right age on the Irish Census is still married with children)

6.2. Most likely destination would be England, because other members of John’s family (e.g. John 3 and Catherine) had gone there in the previous 20 years or more

6.3. The 1901 UK Census has 7 people called Bridget Stanley. 3 are too young and 2 are too old to be Patrick’s mother. One of the remaining two also appears on the 1891 census, was born in England and is married. The last one was born in Ireland, is aged 40, (born 1861, and would have been 22 at the time of Patrick’s birth) is shown as being single, and is living as a boarder in Chorlton, South Manchester.

6.4. Bridget, the boarder, is living with Patrick Quinn, who was born in Ireland and his family.

6.5. There is a death of a Patrick Quinn in Chorlton in 1909. Hence the 1911 census is no help.

6.6. Tracing Patrick Quinn back in order to find a sibling who may still be alive in 1911 (and supplying more information on county of origin) reveals three possible families. One has no other children born in Ireland. One has a brother, John, born in Galloway. The other has a brother, James, born in Mayo. Even if it is possible to be sure which is Patrick’s family, the fact that he was Irish may be enough for Bridget Stanley to have found lodging there.

6.7. If this is the right Bridget, it provides a possible reason why Patrick joined the Manchester Regiment when he had been living in Dewsbury, Yorkshire.

6.8. Bridget seems to be missing from the 1911 census.

6.8.1. Only reference in Ireland is to someone born in 1871 (10 years out.)

6.8.2. Closest match in the UK is a lady born 1871 (also appears in 1891) in Walton Jail.

6.9. She might have died. Best match for a death is in Leeds South in 1932, age 74 (born 1858).

6.10. She might have remarried. No obvious matches that can be cross referenced in 1911.

6.11. Therefore have circumstantial evidence that Bridget Stanley (nee Scott) was born in 1861 (with a margin for error), and may have a connection to Mayo or Galloway.

 

A second approach: Kilbride RC Church christenings & weddings

(This church appears regularly in the first approach. Consequently other family members may be recorded here.)

James (Jacobi) Stanley & Mary Kelly had the following children: Catherine (1836), Patrick (1839) and Mary (1844). Sponsors: Kelly, Kilmartin & Murnaghan.

Michael Stanley & Elizabeth Egan had the following children Mary (1840), Catherine (1842), Ann (1844) and Serram (1846). Sponsors: Feany, Beatty & Egan

Arthur Armsby & Joannae Scanlon (clearly written as such) had Bridget (1837) (Is this John’s second wife?) and Patrick (1840).

Arthur Ormsby & Joannae Stanley (clearly written as such) had William Ormsby (1842). Record shows a very different letter A from the letter O. Is this a case of mishearing?

John Stanly, farmer, age 26 (born around 1856), of Ballyglass (son of James Stanly, also a farmer) married Mary Grehan, age 19 (born around 1863) on January 14th 1882 in Kilbride Church, Roscommon (Witnesses: John McCormack and Eleanor Reynolds) (Call this one John 5)

John Stanly, farmer, age 40 (born around 1842), of Ballyglass (son of Owen, from civil record, but Oliver from church record Stanly, also a farmer, and Bridget Farrell) married Ellenor McCormack, age 30 (born around 1852) on November 30th 1882 in Kilbride Church Roscommon (witnesses: William and Brigid Fihely) (Call this one John 6)

Elizabeth Stanly, spinster, age 27 (born around 1855), of Ballyglass (daughter of Oliver Stanly (deceased) and Bridget Farrell) married Patrick Grady (son of James Grady), widower, age 50 (born around 1832) in Ballinaheglish RC Church on February 21st 1882. There is a James Grady who has a plot very close to Oliver in 1857.

Bridget Stanly, born 1814, died Q2, 1890 aged 76 in the workhouse, Roscommon (Farrell?)

Bridget Stanly, born 1832, died 1, 1892, aged 60 in Roscommon (Married?)

James Stanley born 1800 (approx), died 1880 (age given as 80)

Oliver Stanley born 1801 (approx), died April 26th1881 (age given as 80). The informant was Catherine Broderick of Ballyglass (The Broderick family were neighbours per Griffiths)

Thomas Stanley, born 1807 (approx), died 1887 (age given as 80)

A third approach:

The 1901 census reveals that there are only 17 people with the Stanly or Stanley name living in Roscommon. They are grouped as follows:

  1. Stanly: 4 members of the same family living in Island Lower, Dunamon
  2. Stanly: 3 members of the same family living in Emlaghyroyin, Dunamon
  3. Stanley: a Governess living in Boyle Urban, born in Cork
  4. Stanley: a married couple living in Ballyglass Lower, Cloonygormican
  5. Stanley: a six year old boy staying with his Uncle & Aunt in Clonlee
  6. Stanley: a husband & wife, three children and a sister in Ballinlough

Family 1 is the Stanly/Kenney line. A number of them emigrated to the US. Having established that there is no obvious connection to my branch of the family I will not be pursuing further leads on this group.

 

Father born died Age married date place
John Stanley
Spouse
Winnie Kenney 1840 Q2 1908 68 Roscommon
Offspring
William Stanley 10/4/1865
Bridget Stanley 1866 16/12/1909 47 W Simpson Pittsfield, Mass
Thomas Stanley 21/8/1867 M Kenney 1901 Pittsfield, Mass
Patrick Stanley 17/3/1872
Mary Stanley n/k 09/11/1910 single Tewksbury, Mass
John Stanley 4/7/1874 M Flynse 1904 Pittsfield, Mass
Ellen Stanley 4/12/1876
Informant to Bridget’s death was John Stanley
Bridget’s husband predeceased her
Thomas emigrated to USA about 1890 (from US Census returns) Married a cousin?
1901 Irish census Island Lower, Dunamon, Roscommon
born Difference
Winnie 1841 0
Pat 1875 3
Ellen 1878 2
William 1881 16
None are obviously recorded on 1911 Census
Gone to USA? Gone to UK?
There is a William, single, born 1871 in Roscommon, living in Manchester in 1911

Family 2 is the Stanly/Kelly line

Father John Stanley
Mother Bridget Kelly
Marriage 25/8/1843 Parish Creggs RC
Age in 1901
Michael 23/7/1851 50
Ellen 21/5/1857 44 *
Lizzie 1859 42 * d Q2 1937 (Probable)
John 21/6/1861 40 Emlaryan Oran
Celia 18/10/1863 38
Patrick 6/9/1866 35 * Emlaroy
Baptised as John (?)
Patrick, Ellen & Lizzie are shown on 1901 Census
Emlaghyroyin, Dunamon, Roscommon
Ellen is 3/4 years older than Lizzie on 1901/1911 census
If Bridget was 16 at marriage, she was 41 when Patrick was born
Lizzie d.o.b. from death certificate. Likely to be approximate

Number 3 was Church of Ireland, and was born elsewhere. There seems little chance of a family connection.

Family 4: John & Ellen, both born in the 1840s. (Probably John 6)

Number 5: John James, nephew, is staying with Michael & Catherine Green. Therefore either Catherine’s maiden name was Stanley, or Michael’s sister married a Stanley. There is a record of Anne Green marrying James Shanley according to the LDS website. The 1911 census reveals that John James is a member of Family 6. So there are only 5 locations not 6 as hitherto suspected.

Family 6 (and 5 – see above):

This is the Stanley/Greally line

Patrick son of John
Mary Ellen was born Greally
Surname Forename Age Born Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
Stanley Patrick 45 1856 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Shopkeeper
Stanley Mary Ellen 45 1856 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Roscommon National School Teacher
Stanley Mary 12 1889 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar
Stanley Ellen 10 1891 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar
Stanley Patrick 8 1893 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Scholar
Stanley Ellen 60 1841 Female Sister Roman Catholic Co Roscommon

 

 

A fourth approach

I have also tried matching the various groups to other published data.

Parish Townland Source
A Catherine Stanley Oran Island Lower Griffiths
B James Stanley Cloonygormican Ballyglass Lower Griffiths
C Patrick Stanley Oran Emlaghmore Griffiths
D Oliver Stanley Cloonygormican Ballyglass Lower Griffiths
E Sarah Stanley Kilkevin Clooncose Griffiths
F Thomas Stanley Fuerty Clooneenbaun Griffiths
G W J Stanley Roscommon Roscommon/Castle Street Griffiths
H John Stanly Dunamon Emlaghyroyin Griffiths
I Martin Stanly Kilglass Ballyfeeny Griffiths
J Stanley Ballintober Tithes Survey
K Stanley Bumlin

 

‘A’ might be connected to Family 1 above (purely based on location)

‘H’ seems to be the Stanley/Kelly line (Family 2 above)

‘J’: A Thomas Stanley from Ballintober is sought by his brother Michael in Boston in 1856, and by his cousin John in 1858

‘B’ or ‘D’: The map shows that James (B) and Oliver (D) are living in the same small cluster of dwellings. It is highly likely that they are related. Oliver (also recorded as Owen) is the father of John (John 6), a farmer aged 60, and wife Ellen who show on the 1901 census (Family 4)

‘F’ is located in the right place to be connected to my branch. However the map also shows that Fuerty and Cloonygormican are next to each other. Thomas’s house is only a few hundred yards from those of James (B) and Oliver (D).

The families immediately adjacent to the plot occupied by Thomas Stanley were those of McDermott and Mullooly. These names feature as baptismal sponsors for my Grandfather. (However these names feature quite frequently in the locality.)

Hence there is reasonably good circumstantial evidence to suggest that John (my great Grandfather, “John 2”), James, Oliver and Thomas are all related.


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